In this episode of Marketing vs The World, I had the pleasure of chatting with Caroline Orr, co-founder of Program, a certified B Corp marketing agency. We dive into the pressing question for 2024: Did you put your marketing budget into the right channels? Caroline shares her expert insights on balancing long-term brand building with short-term marketing strategies, and the importance of flexibility in both work and mum life.
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Can’t listen right now? Don’t worry! Hit the ‘follow’ button on your favourite podcast platform and you can listen later. Until then, keep reading for some juicy highlights from my chat with Caroline on Marketing vs The World.Caroline Orr is the co-founder of Program, a marketing and strategic communications agency based in Exeter. Caroline, who also goes by Kaz, has a fascinating journey. She started her career in the travel industry before organically transitioning into marketing.
"How did I get into it? I actually never planned to own an agency. It sort of all happened very much organically," says Caroline. From voluntary work to freelancing and finally co-founding Program, Caroline’s story is a testament to seizing opportunities and following your passion.
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In our discussion, Caroline sheds light on the key marketing strategies and trends for 2024. She emphasises the need for balancing long-term brand building with short-term marketing activation.
"What we're often talking to clients about is doing the long-term brand building stuff and the short-term marketing stroke, sales activation, lead gen stuff. You have to do both in tandem," Caroline explains.
Budgets may not be increasing, but brands are still investing in new assets and campaigns. Caroline highlights the importance of understanding your market and staying adaptable to change.
"None of us can predict now what marketing will look like in six months, 12 months. There could be a new, disruptive social site that goes viral," she adds.
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Caroline also touched on the importance and growing influence of B Corps in the business world. Program recently achieved B Corp certification, which reflects their commitment to balancing profit and purpose.
"I think it's a good start and a mark in terms of accreditation. It shows you've done your due diligence in terms of your people and processes and the way you're operating your business," Caroline explains.
She emphasises that the B Corp movement is gaining traction, especially among younger consumers who prioritise ethical and sustainable business practices. However, she also cautions that authenticity is key. "You have to be doing it for authentic reasons. It is a concern that everyone does it just for a tick box."
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In-person events are making a strong comeback, and Caroline shares her insights on why they're so valuable. "People are really loving in-person events at the moment. We're doing quite a few ourselves this year for the agency," she says.
Caroline highlights that in-person events provide unparalleled opportunities for networking, inspiration, and building stronger relationships. "I get loads of energy and inspiration from going to in-person events," she adds.
Program is planning several events, including a major one for tech marketers in the Southwest. Caroline believes that these gatherings can foster a sense of community and offer invaluable learning experiences.
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Caroline and I also delve into the challenges of balancing work and mum life. Caroline shares her experiences and the importance of flexibility and setting boundaries.
"It was a massive transition for me to have to say no to stuff as well and be like, and also the guilt around saying no to work-related things because I'm a mum and I've got kids," Caroline says.
She talks about the necessity of finding a balance that works for both professional and personal life, and how becoming a parent has shaped her approach to work.
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To wrap up the episode, Caroline leaves us with key pieces of advice:
Balance Long-Term and Short-Term Strategies: Invest in both long-term brand building and short-term marketing activation for sustainable growth.
Stay Adaptable: Be ready to pivot and adapt to new trends and changes in the marketing landscape.
Prioritise Flexibility: Whether it’s for your team or yourself, flexibility is key to balancing work and personal life.
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