In this episode of Marketing vs The World, host Abbie Dando talks with Ash Pollak, founder of Tediophobes, about the importance of storytelling in marketing. Ash shares his journey from running a production company to exploring new business ventures, and how he realised that effective marketing is all about telling engaging stories. Discover why brands need to entertain their audience instead of just advertising, and learn practical tips for integrating storytelling into your marketing strategies.
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Ash Pollak is the founder of Tediophobes, a consultancy that focuses on using storytelling to solve business problems. With a background in film production, Ash has always been passionate about creativity and has worked across various industries, from gardening start-ups to cybersecurity. After running his production company, Etio, for 10 years, Ash wanted to apply his creative skills to broader business challenges, leading to the creation of Tediophobes.
"We’re trying to solve problems by bringing diverse minds together to create something more meaningful," says Ash.
The key message in this episode is that audiences don’t want to be bombarded with traditional advertising. Instead, they want to be entertained and engaged. Ash emphasises that brands should think of their competition not just as other businesses, but as everything that vies for consumers' attention—like vacations, music festivals, and Netflix shows.
"Nobody wants to be marketed to. It doesn’t matter how interesting the company is," Ash explains. "People want to be entertained and involved in something that feels authentic."
By focusing on storytelling, brands can create deeper connections with their audience, leading to more organic engagement and, ultimately, better business results.
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A significant part of the discussion centres around how B2B companies often play it safe and stick to a functional, straightforward narrative. Ash argues that this approach limits potential and fails to capture attention.
"Your competition isn’t just other B2B brands—it’s everything else your audience cares about," says Ash. "If you can offer something more interesting than the usual white papers and webinars, you can stand out."
For B2B brands, Ash suggests creating content that entertains and informs, like podcasts, interactive webinars, and even events that focus on the human side of business.
To effectively bring storytelling into your marketing, Ash recommends taking a step back and understanding the bigger picture. Here’s how he suggests brands can get started:
Start with Workshops: Organise workshops that bring together diverse teams from across your organisation. This can help identify key themes and stories that can be turned into content.
Look at the Broader Picture: Consider the customer journey and how storytelling can be integrated at each touchpoint. For example, can your sales team use a story to initiate a conversation with potential clients?
Iterate and Test: Don’t be afraid to experiment. Ash emphasises that brands should test their ideas on a small scale first, gather feedback, and then refine them. "If something doesn’t work, tweak it, don’t just scrap it," he advises.
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One of the biggest hurdles brands face is the perceived risk of trying something new and the pressure to demonstrate a return on investment (ROI). Ash addresses this by stressing the importance of small, testable campaigns that can provide insights without heavy investment.
"It’s more risky to be boring and expect results than to try something different," Ash says. "You can start small and scale what works. And in today’s digital age, you can quickly measure what resonates with your audience."
Beyond the business talk, Ash shares his personal journey of moving from London to Ibiza and building a business that allows him to work from anywhere. During the pandemic, he took the opportunity to relocate and hasn’t looked back since.
"COVID made it possible for me to rethink how I was running my business and where I wanted to be," he shares. "Moving to Ibiza was about finding a better work-life balance, and I’ve managed to create a virtual setup that allows me to work with clients around the world."
Ash emphasises the importance of building community, even when working remotely. "You need to invest time in building relationships, whether that’s through online meetups, networking events, or just regular check-ins."
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For those considering working abroad, Ash has some practical advice:
Join Local Communities: Whether it's through co-working spaces or meetups, becoming part of a local community can help you settle in and build a network.
Balance Virtual and In-Person Interactions: While working remotely can be liberating, Ash notes that there’s something special about in-person interactions. He often travels for meetings to build deeper relationships.
Adaptability is Key: Be open to challenges and be prepared to adapt. Moving to a new country has its ups and downs, but being flexible makes it easier to navigate.
As the episode wraps up, Ash leaves listeners with a final piece of advice: tap into your humanity. "We’re all human beings with similar fears, hopes, and desires. If you can understand what drives people on a human level, you can create content that truly resonates," he says.
Ash encourages marketers to not be afraid to inject a little bit of themselves into their storytelling. "Don’t overthink it. Sometimes, the best stories come from real, genuine experiences."
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Shift Focus from Advertising to Entertaining: Modern audiences want to be entertained, not advertised to.
Storytelling Works for B2B Too: Even in the B2B space, storytelling can help brands stand out from the competition.
Embrace a Process: Effective storytelling takes time. Invest in workshops, collaborations, and testing to refine your approach.
Adapt and Experiment: Start small, see what works, and iterate. The risk is lower when you experiment on a manageable scale.
Build Community When Working Remotely: Moving to a new place or setting up a virtual office? Engage with local communities and blend virtual with in-person interactions.
If you want to hear more from Ash Pollak and Tediophobes, follow him on LinkedIn. For more insights and updates, follow Abbie Dando and stay tuned for the next episode of Marketing vs The World.
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